Gabriel Munteanu: Posted from
Important Update ( About PAYPAL ) - From Maryanne Myers - PHP
Programmer + Internet Marketer + Web Designer + Network Owner from 1998
" Hello There,
Wondering what is going on, or why things are being delayed on all of
Wondering why your subscription was cancelled? Paypal forced me to do
it and has caused me delays on working.
As you may already know, Paypal has been suddenly limiting or closing a
massive amount of accounts.
It seems that they very slightly changed their terms in late October
2015 and then started slowing closing or limiting accounts and after a
few months> Lately they did a big list and still are doing it.
If they do not outright close it, they limit you once, repopen it on
appeal. Then they find another website that you own... or you send out
a commission payment, they limit you again. Then they reopen on appeal
for the 2nd time. But then they do it again but the 3rd and final time
- it's closed. You get the appeals if you are lucky, and I am one of
THEY SUDDENLY DECIDED IT IS AGAINST THE TERMS IF YOU "SELL ADVERTISING
This means "supporting" it too such as buying it, getting paid, or
owning it - and it seems they are looking, even back to several years
This is the reason, but they just a vague reason while limiting or
closing your account.
It does not matter how long you are with them. (I have sold though them
since their existence)
It does not matter about your low refund rate. (Mine was less than 1
It does not matter how much money you make and give them for fee's
(Mine is 6 figures a year, paying them for every payment received,
paying capital loan fee's, personal credit interest fee's, spending
1000's a year just in domain names, etc)
It does not matter if they say "oh sorry it's a mistake" and reopen on
appeal, it will get you again soon.
It does not matter how high you think you're on the totem poll.
So, you see none of the above matters, many have the same good history
They are NOT just targeting traffic exchanges and safelists (aka
mailers - same thing).
IT IS AGAINST THE TERMS IF YOU "SELL ADVERTISING SPACE".
But since this is not illegal, they changed their terms to "support any
Basically, if you sell advertising you support that. And it's a jack-ss
move they made in October 2015 to protect themselves.
If you buy, sell or receive commissions through them - you'll be next
very soon when they see you receive a payment, send a commission or own
I would get your money out ASAP or else wait 6 months to get it.
People who have been limited at least once already, are taking their
payment buttons off their sites to preserve their remainder of their
account, it is not in protest, they know the next time it will be
permanent. I've also removed them from all of my sites to preserve what
I had left in the account, which was for my daughters doctor bills as I
told her "If they limit me again before I get it out, I wont have the
money for you to see the doctors. Maybe I'll have to just open a go
fund me page for you".
But let me say this, I'm sick of the almost 2 decades of manipulation
of the masses that they shouldn't type their credit card info into a
real merchant account payment form - that a person, instead, should go
through them (A middleman who will then go type it into THEIR merchant
account to be "safer" somehow.... with tons of employee's who can
access it at anytime!).
I'm also sick of the paranoia of using the wrong word on my sites, on
withdrawing too much at once, or making too much too fast, or
withdrawing too little, or having too big of a launch, or sending out
commissions to too many people too fast, or sending a payment to the
'wrong person' even though I had no idea if they were 'the wrong
person', or buying credits from the 'wrong' site. I did everything
right but then they suddenly changed their "terms" and get you for just
selling banner ad space on your website, or letting people surf or
listing a textad in the HTML!
The other day, I was afraid to buy credits at a certain site to
advertise my newest site just last Friday. Because I was seeing people
that were changing the word "credits" and using the word "tokens"
trying to save their account. It will not save the account. They are
booting sites for "selling advertising space."
But I bought the credits anyway. And guess what, right after I did it
through Paypal - I was limited the first time. It was most likely a
coincidence.... but WHY should I even fear the word "credits" from any
And worse, I was so paranoid for years that I was reading articles
about "How not to get limited by Paypal" to further my knowledge about
it. These are articles from people in OTHER arena's even. Everyone is
on pins and needles!
Think about it, it's absurd that it's even written about - how to not
be betrayed and bullied by a middleman payment processor.
They should write "How not to get bullied, misled, betrayed, enslaved
and manipulated by Paypal" articles.
--------- But, let me give you some history here, especially to those
who started owning sites only 5-6 years ago and for those who are new
and buy advertising for your chosen programs. The last 5-6 years was
one of the smooth times with Paypal. ---------
I've been working and owning my network for a very long time. I saw
Google come online, X.com (Paypal), Alertpay (Payza), Myspace,
Facebook, Gmail and numerous sites of all sorts from their start. So I
watch them and know alot of their history.
X.com came online and then had a merchant account.
[A merchant account is just a way for payments to be made through check
or credit cards. Like McDonalds needs a merchant account to process the
payment for the cheeseburger that you buy. When you slide your credit
card to pay, it sends the info to the merchant account to process, hold
and then settle it to Mcdonalds own bank account at the end of the day]
They programmed their website to allow people to send and receive money
to each other, the history was put into a database. You have your
credit card number or deposit cash in it, and then the script would
process the card during the buy though their merchant account or shift
around the cash around virtually - all for an extra fee for being the
middleman. But the middleman is something they made up and is getting
paid for it - and it's not even needed as it is NOT the actual merchant
account itself. It's not a bank either.
They pay fee's to their merchant account to process the payment and add
on extra more to you when you receive money. That is how they make
That is ALL Paypal is, a middleman between you and their merchant
Since so many trust this site and "have no problem in whatever X amount
of years", I let go my own merchant account and let the middleman be
the go between. I pay more fee's with them then having a merchant
account because I had to play with them instead.
But lets back up here.
Before they took over much of everything, people got commissions and
payouts by check.
Sending checks was the #1 payment for commissions back then [even can
be sent around the world]- but that slowly changed, almost forcibly
because of Paypal carefully crafted their image. (alot of people think
it's a bank, you must be approved by them, you must use them to buy,
they are somehow "safer" and etc).
In the years of the early to mid 2000's, they started dropping people
suddenly, the very sites and people who built them up in the beginning.
Everyone trusted them. By then they had a couple years under their belt
and completely had new people manipulated into thinking that their
website could "not survive" without them (the owners), or to the buyer
it "was a scam if not 'approved by Paypal' and had that Paypal button
had to be in use for payments.
After awhile, they started dropping people (including me multiple
times). Imagine how that looked to those who thought if you "weren't
approved by Paypal"or else you were a scammer. I personally took alot
of abusive email and threats over it everytime, because they assumed I
was not "approved" so I was out to scam and steal from them. I always
had to hurry and open another account so people would not know it was
closed, or I'd be threatened and called a scammer. It was disgusting,
because this was just a group of people with a merchant account only
they subconsciously brainwashed some people into behaving this way.
P.pal just put out that image to ensnare people and those extra fee's
they make on every payment sent. That image was out there to buyers and
it pressured sellers to use them - or be seen as "not Approved by
Paypal". Think about it - who are they anyway? A group of people with a
merchant account who is subconsciously forcing real merchants out of
their own merchant account and to use theirs - for an extra fee
Let me remind you:
- They are just a middleman making money off every transaction in order
to use their merchant account.
- They are NOT any "safer" than a real merchant account. Whether
selling or buying.
- They are not the law.
- They are not a bank.
- They can not "shut down" an industry, a website, or stop you paying
- They can not stop you from getting commissions or joining a program
They do not shut down a massive amount of accounts to protect you as a
buyer or seller, they do it because they have to protect their
artificial image and their merchant account.
A merchant account can be lost if you run the wrong transactions
through it (such as porn - there are special ones to use for that) or
if you get too many chargebacks. So they do it to protect themselves,
not you (buyer or seller).
REMEMBER THIS PARAGRAPH ABOVE BECAUSE AT THE END... IT HAS A POINT.
Anyway, after the carnage way back then, they bought Ebay.
So many people using the middleman made the middleman alot of money to
buy things! And then they forced people to use only Paypal on Ebay.
Around that time, I of course, had another new account because, back
then, they did not ask for so much sensitive information. But then they
did. When I gave them all the info they wanted - suddenly I was a
victim of idenity theft. In my police report I verbally told the police
to check out employee's at Paypal because that was the only place that
had that much specific information and I realized that employee's
viewed bank info and much more. [nothing came of this as it was 'out of
Fast forward to 2014. Lots of TE's and Safelists pop up since 2010, and
a whole new round of people. All is smooth and well and trusting and
happy, most never experienced this history. They have a false sense of
trust... they listen to other's advice who have a vindictive motive,
who told them to not use other processor. Meanwhile they are not
realizing that the Paypal makes far more money elsewhere processing
payments than they do on a safelist (mailer) or traffic exchange group
--- And so... ....then here comes TrafficMonsoon in 2014, which is a
similiar site to the troubled 12dailypro 500 millon site in the early
to mid 2000's! This website wiped out Paypal's rival called Stormpay (I
was there during that of course). Stormpay was the main payment
processor for it, and it shut down because 12dailypro ran its
transactions heavily in it. So this gave it a bad name and they closed
down. But then opened as the Clixsense PTC site. (it has been sold to
someone else now).
I'm unbiased about Trafficmonsoon, I do not know what he told people or
how exactly it all works on that site. But I do keep a close eye on
certain things. And I do believe Charles Scoville when he repeatedly
posts on Facebook that he talked to Paypal AUP people and they said
"You're doing good, keep doing what you're doing, you have a low refund
rate, etc etc" they look at the business model, time passes, then Boom
- it's soon restricted out of the blue.
Why do I believe it? because I have been told by others (directly) that
Paypal told THEM the same thing and then some time passes, Boom -
limited/closed their accounts suddenly.
What is odd with Scoville being restricted in January 2016 is that they
...allowed... him to receive payments (and every payment they get money
on), but they did not allow him to withdraw any of it.
I have been restricted numerous times - that was never was allowed with
me - but I didn't make the cash amount like this below....
With him, this went on from January until February - and the SEC
investigation said it was ONE MILLION ...A DAY. They made fee's on
every transaction that was resulting in one million a day. Some agency
should look into that carefully someday. A restriction stating
their is wrongdoing, knowing it but still getting that fee money from
those transactions? Could it be maybe it was to appear you are doing
something about it just in case someone will look in your direction?
So when Trafficmonsoon was taken over by the SEC (securities and
exchange commission), many refund requests and chargebacks were done
and still are - into the millions. Remember when I said a merchant
account gets in trouble with too many refunds/chargebacks? And the
heads up about Trafficmonsoon was made in October 2015 or before (they
changed their terms in October 2015 about the so called "supporting"
advertising for them!)
To avoid legal trouble with this involvement and they most likely also
had to agree to get rid of all advertising sites processing through
their processor to keep their merchant account(s). I do not believe
it's about insurance as I heard. If it truly is, then they most likely
told them to get rid of all advertising sites.
================================================= So we are thrown
under the bus. Tossed away like trash again, without regard if you have
to buy groceries or pay rent. It's a nice blanket way to save
themselves because hey, because they can.
If they did it to you, your trust was betrayed - take comfort it's
normal for Paypal to do that to people.
If they did it to you, take heart - you really aren't a get
rich/mlm/ponzi as they said in their email, they just pocket the fee's
for the real ones.
In my head, they are just a whore.
So that is what I think is happening and hear what is happening. I
guess in some time they will get sued by ANOTHER class action.
Personally, since this happened to me on Friday - I've sleep for 4
night straight. A good sleep, the best after several years of insomnia.
No more paranoia, no more being scared to use the wrong word on a site
or the wrong person buying from me. Everyone will still be paid one way
or another, my sites will remain the same. Been through this before and
everything was fine. I added several processors (still in the process
because it is 40 websites) and will be adding my own merchant account
soon. Payza has already been on EVERY site because they work fine.
I'm glad you are a member,
Maryanne Myers - PHP Programmer + Internet Marketer + Web Designer +
I've owned websites and have paid members through the years of 1998 to
the Present "
Thank you Maryanne for this wonderful post.
Tim and I will never give up on what we have started. We will survive.